Eyes Up’s purpose is to “preserve evidence until it can be used in court.” But it has been swept up in Apple’s attack on ICE-spotting apps.
We really need a Linux phone… It’s like the future of democracy depends on it…
“Which side did you choose when authoritarianism came to your doorstep?”
Looks like Tim Apple has chosen.
Beholden to the AAPL ticker.
Because corporations suck up to fashists if they are in power. That’s all.
fascists
Corpos are not your friends. In fact they are usually the enemy.
Better though than Framework who donate to bad open source developers. Hail big corporate! /s
(This isn’t directed at you, I’m more frustrated by the people in the Framework controvery threads who somehow thing buying Apple or Dell is a more ethical choice).
they are
usuallyalways the enemy
I’m glad the google play store never censors apps, oh wait. It’s almost as if big corporations and now governments have no citizens best interests in mind, mind blowing.
“Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.” - Benito Mussolini
My camera can record videos of ICE abuse. Are they gonna ban that?
I can’t think of a reason why, with client side scanning, they couldn’t in the near future implement a filter similar to this. Pictures and videos deemed “problematic” could magically disappear. And of course, your iPhone will send a helpful report to the local Gestapo branch. Eventually, “Sorry, network permission is required to run the camera app. You may not capture images of law enforcement activities per executive law. The camera will now be disabled until you comply.”
The thing is - the Internet itself is a fascist technology. Fascists, and especially German Nazis, used electric terms and analogies to refer to their politics. Mostly referring to unification of various parts into one network, except in their case the information medium really used was radio.
But the basic idea was that any kind of fascism thrives as means of mass politics. Anything unique, specific, individual is in conflict with that. But the Internet is the tool to slowly grind through that conflict, because it gradually reinforces one voice, one way and one meaning.
It’s a very intelligent trap and one hard to believe in, but our world today is so much more fascist than even in dictatorships 30 years ago, that I think I’m right.
Also consider that the very shock of something so modern and new and comfortable being used as a channel of control is, too, what Nazis did.
And when you want to argue that in the Internet one can post their own opinions and create their own spaces and do their own things, think again. These abilities are inherent to reality as well. Make a thought experiment - could you whisper with your friends at a Nazi meeting in the back rows? Could you not even attend? Could you have private conversations on everything you’d want elsewhere? Yes, these all are true. But the only voices to be heard by everyone and reinforced by that system and order were those from the tribune, and millions of voices would answer them in one and the same way, and millions of hands would raise in salute.
And LLMs and such new tools are going to make this worse, because they are tools of situational speech accord with what you expect, leveled by the common average, just like fascism is an ideology of situational emotional accord with what you feel, leveled by the common average. Fascism is the extreme ideology rejecting logic and semantics, and the Internet on every level has been built to reject logic and semantics as a medium of communication of living people. And LLMs are an even more direct tool to do well only that, all the rest is attempts to sell it, but this is its main trait.
And let’s recall again how that stopped - by spending all its resources and being defeated in a war.
A truly visionary and futuristic regime, honestly. It’s funny how Nazis were so futuristic despite being blood and soil barbarians, and Stalin’s regime was really reactionary despite dreaming of space travel, except Stalin’s regime’s official philosophy was dialectic materialism which is the only thing convenient to describe this contradiction.
Stalin’s regime was really reactionary
Even this is a charitable description. The best term for Stalin’s regime is “despotism”.
Sophistry.
This… Is a very possible future
That’s what AI is for
I banned Apple from my life a long time ago.
Never owned one of their products, not even once. When I realized the iPod didn’t support USB file transfer and they forced you to use iTunes, I knew that they were a bad company and I vowed to never use their products.
Other big companies like Google are not better
I didn’t say they were?
Have you disabled also Google from your life?
Working on it …
Why are these apps being distributed on app stores
Why are these apps not PWAs with an app store deployment wrapper???
The same reason they don’t sell people a live chicken in the grocery store. The general public wouldn’t know what to do with it.
Every Lemming be like “what app do you use” meanwhile I’m like “…app? 👀”
-Sent via WebUI
(I don’t keep stuff logged-in on my phone, incase a cop grabs it)
“what app do you use”
“Uhhhhh Firefox?”
Why are these apps not PWAs with an app store deployment wrapper???
Web wrapped websites are not allowed on either app store btw.
People need to realize. There is no fair access to technology. You either bend the knee or have to create your own marketplace.
Its why I have linux PC / laptops, and GrapheneOS on my phone (may get a fairphone next time)
Me too, but the lords of Technofeudalism, backed by government, won’t allow that forever. Maybe on PCs, but not phones. No “side loading” what they don’t approve. Banks and co, only allowing their apps on approved OSs. No satnav traffic data unless you use an approved satnav, rendering them useless.
The problem isn’t technological, it’s political. We need decent government protecting citizens and enforcing competition laws. The problem is the population don’t understand what is being done to them, so don’t vote against it.
None of it is new. Liberty vs security, monopoly, etc, aren’t new, but wrapping it in technology blinds most people to it.
Agreed on decent government…that is tech savvy. Ay leasy Fairphone is independent and you can swap the default android to Ubuntu touch OS
I’m sorry to say it, but neither Linux nor the hardware you use it on fit under “create your own”.
Well you can build Linux from scratch if you want to create your own. And RISC hardware is opensource, and gaining adoption.
But at least with Fairphone they have built it so that you don’t need google android or derivatives, you can install Ubuntu Touch OS.
With Ubuntu you have access to the worlds store of Linux apps, you don’t have to rely on apple or Google restrictions
Well you can build Linux from scratch if you want to create your own.
Building a project is not creating your own.
And RISC hardware is opensource, and gaining adoption.
RISC-V, and what’s gaining adoption is not what’s opensource.
I don’t think you are getting my point. When you depend on one humongous project, open or not, you depend on what those having influence in it decide.
That’s why they make autonomies, checks and balances, minority quotas, proportional systems and so on in democracies. Because deciding everything through a simple majority vote with no limitations and nuance, with winner taking all, doesn’t make things good.
In this case it’s a weight of work vote, not majority vote, but the results are not too much different. Similar to how Bitcoin turned out.
So-o - in Linux most of work is now being done by a set of the same big corporations. It’s not the magic freedom tool someone would want it to be, sorry.
You can totally build your own. You don’t have to rely on packages given.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RISC-V
Free and OpenCode
And there are so many Linuxes (some like Redhat that gets influence from Intel, and some like (insert name here) that are peoples own projects) that corporate control cannot dominate it all.
Like nixOS has controversy at the moment because a steering board member is linked to US military. He could compromise the project by steering it toward the fascist regimes agenda, so you load Gentoo or VOID.
Choices are freedom
The claim that most of the work is bring done by big corps , skips a step. Corps have money and dedicate people to add to projects to suit their own needs, their commits to kernel may be high, but its not neccessry for a running system…there is a world wide open source community building their own stuff out of passion alone.
Like Facebook contributed a lot to btrfs, if you feel that somehow has shady backend, just don’t include it in your kernel modules.
Or if you are super paranoid run Haiku LOL
I realize I’m not entirely free yet, but I sleep better ever since I changed to a non-Google Android ROM. Also because the path to proper mobile Linux feels shorter now.
Anyone still on Google Android: Look into making the change. It’s worth it.
And if not, at least start getting your apps from F-droid whenever possible.
Yep, switching as many apps as you can to foss apps, and moving to non Gmail based email services will make future switching way easier.
I’d love to make the switch. I was looking into custom roms for my S24U and finally decided I’m okay with tripping Knox, so I’d give it a go… Nope! Samsung has removed the ability to unlock the bootloader in OneUI 8, with no path to downgrade. So I’m stuck with an excellent piece of hardware, running software that collects and sells my data.
Does “play integrity” work on non Google android? I’m rooted and system wide adblocking, but I still use things like streaming apps.
MicroG makes most things work, so it’s not much compromise in my experience. :)
I use /e/OS which has access to apps from the Play Store, so that I still have my banking apps and stuff. I think streaming apps should work just fine.
Time to smash the looms.
Or start breaking things.
Send Apple feedback. They need to hear how unpopular working with Trump will make them.
OR stop buying ANY of their products
Well, both, really.
Make sure they know you won’t be buying their process anymore because of these policies.
If people actually do this, they would find out next quarter
But everyone loves talking big but keeps using these corpos products
I, for one, have never used any of their shit.
Don’t project.
I don’t think he’s projecting on you personally, Apple has a $3.76T market cap. If people really were upset that number would go down
Correct.
One guy standing tall is cute and all but that’d not how systematic change happens. Need like 10-15% of people to get in the fight to send a proper message
Be the change you want to see.
If you’ve used Android, they did the same thing and removed ICE-spotting apps.
Which is why I stay away from Google’s products too.
What do you use?
I tried pine phone, but it wasn’t usable as a daily driver.
Oh that’s fantastic.
Can you please tell me you’re entirely ethical smartphone setup?
Obviously you won’t have any Android in there, including Android ROMs which are based off of AOSP, as Google is just as, if not more, evil than Apple, and any project based off Google’s OS is inherently unethical.
Are you’re using a Fair Phone? If not, what ethical phone are you using?
And for your OS, is Sailfish or Ubuntu Touch?
Can you please tell me you’re entirely ethical smartphone setup?
A used Onpeplus 10 with Lineage on it
au contrair, that’s still Android!! We got em! Ez, kek!
Yeah, and I didn’t pay for it. I don’t use Google services. You said ethics, right? I bought it used, Google doesn’t profit and I don’t use any of their services, so, they don’t continue to.
Seems pretty sound to me. Lemme know if you need a recc for a TV or anything. I’m good with those too. I like helping normies connect with technology.
Buying used is excellent
Your argument seems to be “all things that aren’t perfect are equally bad, so you must either boycott them all or never complain about any.” This is obviously silly. We’re talking about Apple and ICE, not every other company and every other bad thing.
Cause using AOSP benefits Google’s ability to limit their app restrictions.
Tell me you don’t understand open source without telling me you don’t understand it…
You give off some real “Well achkshuslly” enlightened centrist vibes here.
Using Google products is implicit support for Google.
Which, by the way, I understand, but if you actually read the comments from top to bottom, you would have grasped the context.
So tell me you didn’t actually read the comment thread without telling me.
Oh no, we can’t have ethical smartphones so we are forced to fund the worst corporations that exist 😢
I guess I’ll just go buy an overpriced piece of tech crap locked in a shitty proprietary environment that doesn’t respect any of my rights…
Uh, that would have been a good argument back when flagship models didn’t cost more than the latest iPhones. Unless you’re buying something other than Samsung though, you’re paying more than $2k for something that soon won’t even be able to side-load apps.
The gap between Android and iOS is closing as fast as Google can build the wall around their garden.
How about you just don’t act high and mighty and pretend that your personal consumer choice of using an Android based OS somehow make you more ethical then those who use an iPhone.
If you are still using an apple phone in times like these then you are not taking your life serious enough. Big techs power will absolutely fuck things up in the coming series of purges in the US and people are totally unprepared for it.
How does one prepare for it without sitting around being a bored luddite all day? Idk how to tell you this, but the rot is total, and Americans simply aren’t willing to meet the moment
Can you not have fun without big tech platforms? There is so much stuff out there to do. So many hobbies both digital and physical to entertain yourself with.
For tech things there is the open source nerds that continue to make it possible to remove the influence of our tech overlords from our lives while still making use of the hardware we already have.
For climate change there are local groups in many cities (at least in Germany) with the specific idea of creating future proof communities that will survive supply chain collapse for food, water, electricity, etc.
or both
How much “feedback” do you think it will take to make them contradict the vindictive sitting President? Apple doesn’t care about what you think about this because it’s not for you.
You know what you can do? Stop giving them money. Write them an email from your iCloud account, then delete said account. Cancel any subscriptions (this seemed to be effective against Disney).
The fed gov holds too much power. You have to show them that Americans, collectively, have more power to affect their bottom line than the Pres, and (most importantly) are willing to exercise it.
Apple fans are not that type of person, though. They’re better than everyone else, and so is their owning entity! They can do no wrong, this app was obviously guilty of doxxing cops …
Well I was going to pretend not to be a pessimist but realistically, no group of people is “that type of person”, which is why we’re all so helpless. People are addicted to their favorite platforms and there’s nothing you or the platforms can do to make them leave.
Microsoft might prove that one wrong if they keep enshittifying Windows.
The only people worse than Apple fans, are Apple haters.
Because I see a lot of vocal Apple haters on Lemmy, just shitting all over Apple users, but I rarely see Apple users here shitting on Android or anything else.
Apple is the trend setter. The avant garde. If Apple does it, soon everyone will be doing it. If you see Apple doing something shitty, you need to nip that in the bud right quick.
I don’t disagree.
But my comment was a direct response to the user ranting about their superiority to, and hatred of, anyone who uses Apple products.
They kind of got that rep though for defending things people saw as anti consumer such as soldered ram, limited, storage, and blocking installation of non Apple apps. Always going Apple knows best and its for security.
Not exactly the group known for demanding more, but ones who are more complacent.
I’m an Apple owner too with MacMini and iPad so these criticisms of Apple users isn’t coming from a non Apple product owning hater. I think average Apple fan in general really sucks for how they seem to kneel over to whatever Apple decides compared to other platform users who are much more critical and demanding of products.
I use a iPhone, my mom and dad (may he rest in peace) were already using them and wanted to use the family features on them to keep my brother and me safe. I didn’t choose to be in the ecosystem, I was just placed in it.
I also just have no reason to talk shit on android users because I know many of them are like me. Just placed into the ecosystem by parents, since their parents used them. Also just who really gives that much of a fuck? It’s a phone, it’s a laptop or earbuds or whatever. Largely things that people just need in the modern world, and it’s easy to stick with what you know and what’s easy to use.
Well, we give a fuck because modern society has required us to need a device that fundamentally destroys any real resistance. Naturally people are gonna be frustrated
Then there’s me owner of Android and Apple and talks shit on both haha.
lol you’re just plain wrong on that. Apple fans these days are like you: They make fun of everyone outside of their group instead of the products themselves, because you all understand you won’t ever be winning an objective argument.
What argument…?
Out of nowhere, you just started talking shit about Apple users to make yourself feel superior about your individual consumer choices, really cool bro.
Also unclear who I was making fun of, unless you consider pointing out how absurd your Apple user hate is, to be making fun of you.
But that’s not making fun of you, it’s pointing out how pathetic your unprompted and vocal hatred for Apple users was.
Really proving how intelligent Apple fans are with that reading comprehension… The argument referenced there is obviously referencing the arguments you brought up elsewhere on the internet between Apple fans and other fans.
It’s not out of nowhere. This is a topic about how people maybe should not give Apple money if they don’t want to support a corporation that will bow to fascists.
How stupid and captured their dumbass fans are is DIRECTLY related to how easy it’d be to convince them to not keep throwing money at Apple.
The fact you cannot even follow a basic conversation is the only pathetic thing here.
It’s not my reading comprehension that’s to blame for your rancid hatred of Apple users and I’m confident that your behavior is repulsive to more people than just me.
The irony is that I use Linux for desktop and Graphene for mobile so my objections are not rooted in defending my own consumer choices, they’re based entirely on your pathetic blind hatred of people who use Apple products.
They’re based in the USA, they have to work with the government or they’ll be targeted/taken over/shut down, surely?
They could try to escape the USA and move all their operations to Europe, but I think they’re just going to stick where they are and do whatever the fascists want them to do. So long as they’re getting paid why should they care?
It would be better for the economy to commit suicide than to comply, and we as consumers have the power to make them if only we organized
They had no problem standing up to the FBI when they knew the Constitution still worked. It’s not bravery when it doesn’t cost you anything and there’s nothing to be afraid of. But now things are different and regular every day people don’t want to say it out. The implications make them uncomfortable.
Apple’s market share outside of the US is pretty pitiful. Even with their piles of money, it would hurt.
A strongly worded letter
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So if we ever take back this country, we’ve gotta destroy Palantir, Apple, Google, Meta, Disney, Microsoft, Amazon, CVS (working to compile a medical database on all USAmericans)… and every company that backed Trump’s Nazi campaign. Start making a list now. The corporations alone will be a life’s worth of work.
Nationalize all of them, democratic the new platform so the government can’t control it. We get one environment that’s compatible with everything AND can’t be weaponized by tyrants
Excuse me? Comcast belongs on that list.
Basically every company over a certain size. They all got that big by unfair conduct or outright abuse, because your market laws are way too lax and regulators look away.
You have created menaces that the rest of the world (and the environment) has to deal with.
Add Tesla, Starlink & Oracle
oh, yeah, of course Musk’s companies go on there… and I saw a few things about Oracle’s surveillance efforts.
there’s no way the democrats would ever do anything like that, let alone the republicans.
You are correct, but who said it would be the Democrats doing the work?
why is luigi so popular and adored they ask
And we don’t even know how if he actually did the job!
I know he didn’t do it. we were deep in a duos ping pong tourney at the time that incident occurred.
Can you…prove this?
Why do you need an app for that, when it can be blocked from both app stores? Did people forget about self hosted websites?
Yes
Unironically yes, mostly cause most websites on mobile are the most horrid experience and an app for the average audience is just how phones are nowadays
Also some shady company can get full access to my photos, contacts, call history, location data, camera etc. when I use their app to remind me to buy tomatoes and eggs. its just how things are in 2025 🤷 /s
A lot of sites suck on mobile because the browser sucks, the app can’t be bothered to make a mobile friendly version, or it’s intentionally made awful to force you to use the app (assuming they don’t literally just redirect you to the app store when you try to go to the website).
I’m actually surprised at how often a shitty looking website looks fine once I tell the stupid fucking built in kneecapped chrome browser to open in Firefox and it’s fine.
Lol I tried using Baidu Maps too look up the neighborhood I used to live in mainland China, and jesus christ it automatically attempted to download the .apk EVERY TIME I tap something on the site. Wtf lol 🤣
Edit: typo
Ohh wow a mega corp who pretend to do care about your privacy is collaborating with the government doing Nazi cosplay
Very light on the details here. How did the app do this? What was the functionality of the actual app? From looking at the play store it seems to be basically a LE tracker as well, no matter how much they want to say it isn’t. Getting cute and saying “no my app where you can tag where ICE agents are and upload photos of the ice agents isn’t actually to track ICE agents, it’s just a photo sharing app” doesn’t actually work, no matter how much people on sites like this think it does.
Also lol at this:
Mark asked 404 Media to only use his first name to protect him from retaliation.
He released an app on the apple store, they know who he is.
Well, LE tracking apps should just be allowed, and we should boycott them for not doing so
Not when their sole purpose is to assist in breaking the law.
Unjust laws should be broken, Unjust law enforcement should be obstructed
